Life After Ministry
PODCAST
TURNING TRANSITION INTO TRANSFORMATION
RECLAIM YOUR
IDENTITY
REDEFINE YOUR
ASSIGNMENT
REDISCOVER YOUR
CALLING
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Episode 25: Forfeiting Your Soul In Ministry (featuring Shawn & Sonny Hennessy)
This conversation explores the challenges and struggles faced by pastors and their families in ministry. The guests, Shawn and Sonny Hennessy, share their personal journey of leaving ministry and finding restoration. They discuss the need for emotional growth, the systemic issues within the church, and the importance of creating a culture of vulnerability. They also highlight their work in providing a retreat center for pastors and individuals in need of healing and restoration. The conversation emphasizes the idea that there is life after ministry and that God can use individuals in various ways outside of traditional ministry roles.
Episode 24: Ministry Is Not Defined By Who Signs Your Paycheck (featuring Michael Shafer)
Dr. Michael Schaefer shares his journey of transitioning out of full-time ministry and starting G6 Allies, a ministry that supports pastors and church leaders. He discusses the challenges he faced, including being blindsided by his termination and the impact it had on his family. Despite the difficulties, he found healing and purpose in helping other pastors and their families through G6 Allies. He also shares his experience of starting G6 Church and the importance of building resilient Christian leaders. Overall, his story highlights the resilience and faithfulness of God in the midst of life's challenges.
Episode 23: Choosing Discomfort (featuring Dane Sanders)
Dane Sanders shares his journey from vocational ministry to his current work with Men and Women of Discomfort. He discusses the challenges faced in vocational ministry and the need for better transitions and support within the Christian community. Dane explains the concept of Men and Women of Discomfort, a program that focuses on intentional discomfort to foster personal growth and strength.
Episode 22: Ministry In The Military (featuring Chaplain Jordan Huggins)
Explore 'Ministry In The Military' on the Life After Ministry podcast. Discover how pastors can transition to fulfilling roles as military chaplains, offering spiritual guidance to service members. Chaplain Jordan Huggins shares insights and experiences from serving in the US Air Force and Space Force. Learn about the unique challenges and rewards of military chaplaincy for pastors seeking a new path. A must-listen for those contemplating their next steps in ministry.
Episode 21: Essential Conversations For Your Board with Dr. Dee Dee Mayer
Dr. Dee Dee Mayer discusses the importance of board governance within the church and the need for training and support for governing boards. She shares her research on the role of elder boards in supporting wellness in pastoral leadership and the challenges they face. Dr. Mayer emphasizes the importance of selecting board members based on spiritual maturity and creating a culture of accountability and healthy conflict resolution. She provides nine essential conversations for governing boards to have, including defining culture, guiding principles for recruitment, and managing difficult leaders. Dr. Mayer highlights the need for proactive leadership to prevent church hurt and create a space for healing.
Episode 20: The Wounded Pastor with Dr. Matthew Tanner
Dr. Matthew Tanner, author of The Wounded Pastor, shares his personal experience of being forced out of pastoral ministry and the lack of resources available to help pastors in similar situations. He discusses the extent of the problem of unjustified terminations in evangelical denominations and the isolation that pastors often face after leaving their positions. Dr. Tanner emphasizes the importance of finding support networks and developing a strategy for healing and moving forward. He also highlights the need for churches to handle terminations with generosity and care. Dr. Tanner offers his book and an upcoming conference as resources for pastors seeking healing and guidance.
Episode 19: God Doesn't Waste Pain with Dillon Fawcett
In this episode of the "Life After Ministry" podcast, Dillon Fawcett candidly shares his unique journey, transitioning from pastoral ministry and his entry point into the world of mental health counseling. With honesty and vulnerability, Dillon opens up about the ups and downs he experienced, the transitions that challenged him, and the invaluable lessons he's learned. His story is a powerful testament to the truth that life doesn't end after ministry – in fact, it can take on new, meaningful forms. Dillon's insights remind us that our pain and struggles are not in vain - they're instruments used by God to shape and refine us.
Episode 18: Cultivating Bravery In Transition with BrianJames & Michelle McMahon
This conversation explores the experiences of Brian James and Michelle McMahon as they transitioned out of vocational ministry and created safe spaces for pastors and church leaders. They discuss the challenges of being in ministry, the importance of vulnerability and authenticity, and the need for safe and supportive communities.
Episode 17: Transition In The African American Church (Pastor J. Ricardo Smith)
In this episode, Matt Davis interviews J. Ricardo Smith at the Classic City Conference in Athens, Georgia. They discuss the purpose and origins of the conference, the state of the black church post-COVID, the challenges of identity and transition in ministry, finding hope and help in difficult seasons, planning for the future of the conference, and the importance of mental health in ministry. J. Ricardo Smith shares his insights and experiences, emphasizing the need for community and support in pastoral leadership.
Episode 16: Refined By The Fire(d) (Kyle & Maria Isabelli)
Kyle and Maria Isabelli share their experience of being fired from their church ministry and the emotional impact it had on them. They discuss the process of being let go, the loss they felt, and the journey of healing and finding purpose again. Kyle wrote a book titled 'Refined by the Fired' to help others who have gone through similar experiences. They emphasize the importance of clear expectations and communication in ministry and the need for empathy and shepherding in leadership roles. Despite the challenges, they remain committed to ministry and continue to serve in their new roles.
Episode 15: What Have We Learned? (Season One Recap)
In the season finale of the Life After Ministry podcast, we dive into a critical topic for church leadership: what is the throughline for pastors coming out of ministry and what makes them successful in their next chapter. This episode brings together key insights from the entire season, focusing on the essential steps to ensure a thoughtful, compassionate transition process.
Episode 14: When Heartbreak Redefines Ministry (Clayton Stenson)
Clayton Stenson shares his journey of transitioning from ministry to a new career and finding hope and purpose in life after ministry. He discusses his background in ministry, the challenges he faced, and the support he received during a difficult time of grief and loss. Clayton also highlights the transferable skills he gained from his ministry experience and how they have helped him succeed in his current role. He encourages others who are going through similar transitions to seek support and embrace new opportunities.
Episode 13: A Calling Greater Than Ministry (Thom Van Dycke)
Tom Dyke shares his journey from ministry to starting his own business. He discusses his background in Manitoba, Canada, and his various roles in ministry, including being a youth pastor and overseeing family ministries. Tom initiated his departure from ministry due to challenges within the church and found a new calling in marketing and storytelling. He shares his financial success in his new business and challenges the poverty mindset often associated with pastors. Tom emphasizes the importance of family and creating lasting memories, and how his relationship with money has evolved. He also discusses how his pastoral skills continue to impact his interactions in the business world.
Episode 12: Grieving Our Own Losses (Dan Broyles)
In this episode, Pastor Dan Broyles discusses the challenges pastors face when seeking counseling and the importance of grieving their own losses. He also highlights the need for pastors to connect with others outside their church community and provides hope for those in times of transition.
Episode 11: Can Pastors Be Entrepreneurs? (Jon Sanders)
In this conversation, Jon Sanders shares his journey from being a pastor to transitioning into a new season of ministry. He discusses the calling that led him into ministry and the challenges he faced along the way. Jon also explores the concept of bivocational ministry and the role of entrepreneurs in the church. He encourages pastors to embrace their unique gifts and explore new opportunities outside of traditional ministry. The conversation highlights the importance of finding a new path and offers guidance on how to navigate the transition process.
Episode 10: Don’t Burn Out, Burn Bright with Jonathan Malm
In this episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, we tackle a critical issue that often serves as a catalyst for pastoral transitions: burnout. While our mission at Pastoral Transitions is to support ministry leaders in their journey out of ministry, we're equally passionate about preventing burnout to keep our church leaders healthy, strong, and vibrant.
Joining us is Jonathan Malm, co-author of "Don't Burn Out, Burn Bright," a book offering practical wisdom on avoiding the pitfalls that lead many in ministry to prematurely press the eject button.
Episode 9: Facing And Forgiving Those Who Hurt You
Join Ryan and Lindsay Gentles on the Life After Ministry podcast as they share their poignant story in "Facing And Forgiving Those Who Hurt You." Discover their journey through a difficult ministry exit and how they found healing in forgiveness, reshaping their lives with hard-earned wisdom and courage. Plus, explore Ryan's unique approach to answering his children's curious questions in his book, "Did Jesus Wear Undies?" Dive into an episode of raw emotion and transformative insights.
Episode 8: When Elders Initiate Transition (featuring Gary Weaber)
In Episode 8, we sit down with Gary Weaber, who poured his heart into pastoral ministry for over three and a half decades. Imagine, after 36 dedicated years, facing a conversation with your elders about stepping down from your teaching role. Most pastors dread this talk, fearing miscommunication, hurt, and the potential fallout that could affect the congregation. Yet, Gary's story shines a different light. Instead of walking away with wounds, he left that meeting feeling uplifted, rating the experience an impressive 11 out of 10. So, what was their secret?
Episode 7: The Difference Between Hurt & Injury (featuring Shane McDonald)
Discover the profound yet often overlooked issue of "church hurt" in Episode 7 of the Life After Ministry Podcast. Licensed mental health counselor and former pastor Shane McDonald dives into the reality that a shocking 90% of his clients have experienced hurt within their church communities. Explore the crucial difference between "hurt" and "injury" and find wisdom that could set the stage for healing.
Episode 6: Transition Can Be ‘Brutiful’ (featuring Justin and Amanda McNeil)
We sat down with Justin and Amanda McNeil at the American Association of Christian Counselors conference, and their story is nothing short of compelling.
What sets their story apart is its testament to the notion that transitions out of vocational ministry don't have to be filled with negativity or go horribly wrong. In fact, their journey illustrates that even the most complex shifts can be navigated with grace, hope, and what they call "brutiful" resilience.
Facing Life After Ministry can feel hopeless, but it doesn’t have to be.
Whether you've stepped away from the pulpit by choice, or circumstances have forced a change, it's a monumental shift that leaves many wondering, "What's next?" If you're at this crossroads, you may feel alone, overwhelmed, and unsure about the road ahead.
We want you to know that you're not alone in this transition. There's not just life after ministry - there's a chance to thrive.
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“Just listened to Matt and Marilee unpacked their own story in episode one. So generous, honest, and invitational. Thanks for meeting a "gap" in the ministry world, and by that I mean the shattered heads and hearts wandering the land like Christendom's own take on the Walking Dead. I pray this resurrects many, opens eyes for their families and communities, causing an increase in empathy among God's people.”
- Scott White
David, Former Pastor
"I felt lost after leaving the ministry. This podcast showed me a way forward."
Sarah, Ex-Missionary
"Life After Ministry Podcast was a lifeline during my transition. Now, I'm thriving in my new chapter!"
The Struggles of Transitioning
Stepping away from pastoral service can be a lonely journey filled with uncertainties. What will your new identity be? How do you make sense of the changes? The stakes are high - but you don't have to navigate this alone.
Do you have a story to share?
We are always looking for stories of hope and transformation, to see the good God has done, and to continue to build the church into the radiant bride she will ultimately become. To be a guest of the Life After Ministry Podcast, click below and fill out the form.
If you prefer to talk, contact Matt via email at matt@pastoraltransitions.com.