We sat down with Justin and Amanda McNeil at the American Association of Christian Counselors conference, and their story is nothing short of compelling.

What sets their story apart is its testament to the notion that transitions out of vocational ministry don't have to be filled with negativity or go horribly wrong. In fact, their journey illustrates that even the most complex shifts can be navigated with grace, hope, and what they call "brutiful" resilience.

In Episode 5, "Pain Is A Teacher," we sit down with the inspiring couple, Gary & Lisa Black, to discuss the transformative power of enduring life's toughest transitions.

From losing a spouse and a child to navigating numerous shifts in ministry, Gary and Lisa have amassed a wealth of wisdom that they generously share in this episode.

Their story is a testament to the resilience of faith and the lessons that can only be learned through pain.

Get your pen and paper ready—you won't want to miss the invaluable insights from this power couple.

Learn more about Gary & Lisa at garyandlisablack.com and mandate456.org.

Episode 4 of the Life After Ministry Podcast features a replay of an insightful conversation Matt Davis had on Josh Harris's podcast, "Clear and Loud."

Entitled "The Holy Mess of Pastoral Transitions," the episode delves deep into the complexities that come with leaving a role in ministry.

The episode answers crucial questions like:

Why are pastoral transitions uniquely painful?

How does a shift in roles impact one's family?

And why do so many pastors feel the need to leave their church community altogether?

In Episode 3 of the Life After Ministry Podcast, we talk to Noe Rivera, a key member of the founding team behind Pastoral Transitions.

Growing up as a pastor's kid, Noe intimately understands the emotional toll that ministry transitions can take on families.

Titled "Mental Health After Ministry," this episode dives into Noe's missionary years and the shifts that followed, laying the groundwork for his current role as a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT).

In Episode 2 of the Life After Ministry Podcast, we sit down with Bill Tom, Founder, CEO, and Chief Ministry Officer of Pastoral Transitions.

With a rich background in career coaching and executive search, Bill offers priceless advice on vocational discernment for those exiting ministry roles.

The episode, aptly titled "How To Figure Out Your Career After Ministry," provides a roadmap for navigating life's next chapter. Bill also reveals the recurring theme he encountered in his office that was the catalyst for creating Pastoral Transitions.

Tune in for profound insights that could be your first steps toward a fulfilling second act.

In the inaugural episode of the Life After Ministry Podcast, hosts Matt and Marilee Davis open up about their own journey post-ministry. 

With vulnerability, they discuss the challenges and opportunities they encountered as they transitioned into a new career, community, and even way of life. 

The episode digs into the complexities of untangling emotional and spiritual intricacies that come with leaving a ministry role. 

Whether you're a pastor contemplating a career change, or a leader helping someone through this significant life transition, this episode offers invaluable insights on navigating the journey with wisdom and grace. 

Don't miss this heartfelt and informative debut.

Facing Life After Ministry can feel hopeless, but it doesn’t have to be.

Whether you've stepped away from the pulpit by choice, or circumstances have forced a change, it's a monumental shift that leaves many wondering, "What's next?" If you're at this crossroads, you may feel alone, overwhelmed, and unsure about the road ahead.

We want you to know that you're not alone in this transition. There's not just life after ministry - there's a chance to thrive.